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Page 26A transcript reads:
‘Some are serious ones which deserve consideration, some are doubtful and
some plain bad ones.’
Judge said on recording
(0 min 48 sec):
‘Some are serious ones which deserve consideration, some of doubtful
validity and some plain bad ones.’
Page 26B transcript reads:
‘So I’m going to confine myself as I have indicated yesterday to what seems
to me to be main points.’
Judge said on recording
(1 min 15 sec):
‘So I’m going to confine myself as I think I indicated to you yesterday to
what seems to me to be the main mission.’
Page 27E transcript reads:
‘I don’t think he is said to have told Perry “They have got nothing on you”,
but “If they have fingerprints then tell them you will plead guilty to
Section One theft”.’
Judge said on recording
(5 min 42 sec):
‘I don’t think he is said to have told Perry “They’ve got anything on you,
but if they have finger prints, they have told you to plead guilty to
Section One theft.’
Page 27G transcript reads:
‘… coming from a source independent of Perry himself which confirms his
evidence in some important respect.’
Judge said on recording
(6 min 24 sec):
‘I don’t think he is said to have told Perry “… coming from any source
independent of Perry himself which confirms the evidence in some important
respect.’
Page 28A transcript reads:
‘… if you accept the entries in the diary for the relevant dates, whether
the defendant has concealed where he really was.’
Judge said on recording
(6 min 55 sec):
‘… if you accept the entries in the diary for the relevant dates, whether it
was made concealed, where he the defendant really was, that is clearly up to
you.’
Page 29G transcript reads:
‘… he received a telephone call from Beckinham police stated he was with
another Sergeant at the time, saying police officers from Nuneaton had
arrived at Peckinham and had evidence ...’
Judge said on recording
(12 min 42 sec):
‘… he received a telephone call from Peckham Police Station, and he was with
Sergeant Holly at the time, saying that police officers from Nuneaton had
arrived at Peckham and had got evidence …’
Page 30C transcript reads:
‘… officers in relation to that offence.’
Judge said on recording
(14 min 16 sec):
‘… officers in connection with that offence, for whom they’d detained him
about.’
Page 30E transcript reads:
‘… Sergeant James (now an Inspector) who you heard, had suggested to him
that he should speak to Perry and (inaudible) to tell him that why should he
imagine …’
Judge said on recording
(15 min 4 sec):
‘… Sergeant James (now an Inspector) who you heard, had suggested to him
that he should speak to Perry, and to con Perry, to tell him that why should
he imagine …’
Page 30F transcript reads:
‘… if there wasn’t some form of evidence against him and to plead guilty to
Section One which would only carry twelve months.’
Judge said on recording
(15 min 25 sec):
‘… if there wasn’t some firm evidence against him advising him to plead
guilty to Section One; this would only carry twelve months.’
Page 30G transcript reads:
‘… at some stage the Nuneaton officers because Mr Perry said these words,
“I’ve been told to keep quiet”, the Nuneaton officers lossed heart and gave
in, “We will release you” and …’
Judge said on recording
(16 min 8 sec):
‘… at some stage there’s evidence from the Nuneaton officers that at some
stage Mr Perry said, you know, that he’d been told to keep quiet. The
allegation is but rather than Mr Perry had said those fatal words “I’ve been
told to keep quiet”, the Nuneaton officers beeped the last half and gave in,
and said “oh well in that case, if you’ve been told to say that, we will
release him”, and ...’
Page 31A transcript reads:
‘… to the effect that it had caused Perry to get out from Nuneaton.’
Judge said on recording
(16 min 44 sec):
‘… to the effect that it had cost the defendant, and or the, had cost Perry
to get out from Nuneaton.’
Page 31D transcript reads:
‘… at Perry’s house on the 20th October.’
Judge said on recording
(18 min 11 sec):
‘… at Perry’s house on the 28th October.’
Page 31E transcript reads:
‘Perry in his original statement to ‘The Times’ made a statement but not
including Symonds with other officers. A little later it came out …’
Judge said on recording
(18 min 30 sec):
‘Perry in his original statement to ‘The Times’ mentioned other police
officers but not Perry. That’s why, maybe, when the reports first came to
this matter they regarded this defendant as relatively unimportant. It
wasn’t until the week later that it came out …’
Page 31E transcript reads:
‘... the first time he had spoken to Perry and he said Perry asked him if he
could help him over his car which was down at Nuneaton. ’
Judge said on recording
(19
min 27 sec):
‘... the first time he’d spoken to Perry since speaking to him at
Camberwell, to refresh from Nuneaton, and Perry he said asking me if he
should help him with his car which was contained at Nuneaton.’
Page 32B transcript reads:
‘... he was going along to this meeting expecting to see a man named Terry
…’
Judge said on recording
(21 min 5 sec):
‘... he was going along to this meeting at Edmond Street and expected to
meet someone called Terry …’
Page 32D transcript reads:
‘... “I’d like to see you about, er, you know”. The penny appears to drop,
whether that be so or not the defendant was telling you he when he was going
to meet someone call Terry …’
Judge said on recording
(21 min 51 sec):
‘... “I’d like to see you about comma you know.” and, er, to ask his advice;
the penny appears to drop. To all events, you heard an episode or not, the
defendant was telling you that he thought that he was going to meet someone
called Terry ...’
Page 32E transcript reads:
‘... he described a small rat-faced man, well that was the defendants view
…’
Judge said on recording
(22 min 23 sec):
‘... he described a small rat-faced man of close-set eyes sitting in the
front passenger seat who looked a classic criminal type, who immediately
jumped out of his car and scarpered away. Well that was the defendant, that
was his view …’
Page 32H transcript reads:
‘... he must have met Perry on and off half a dozen times accidently at the
Grove, I would come out of the public house …’
Judge said on recording
(24 min 5 sec):
‘... he must have met Perry on and off about half a dozen times, most of
those times are either rightly or wrongly a co-incidence. I would come out
of the public house …’
Page 33B transcript reads:
‘... one would imagine after the briefest of acquaintanceships with a
criminal it was incredible I should go and tell Perry about it on the second
or third meeting. And then he went on about criminal fantasy. You will give
what weight you think right to it, to the submissions you heard often from
the defendant.’
Judge said on recording
(24 min 55 sec):
‘... one would imagine that I suddenly take a great shine to this dreadfully
yellow yobbo in case he might get off, the briefest acquaintanceships, open
my heart to him, according to the prosecution evidence, to claim it all
weighs to some form of enormous criminal set up within the police force. If
there was a violation within the police force I don’t remember. It would
seem rather incredible that I should decide to go and tell Perry all about
it on the second or third meeting. And then he went on about criminal
fantasy land; you’ve heard about all of the claims about that. I ask you all
to give proper consideration to those submissions by the defendant.’
Page 33C transcript reads:
‘Mr Rivlin: (inaudible)’
Rivlin said on recording
(25 min 44 sec):
‘the defendant’s submissions about Perry Your Honour, you said Perry’s
submissions Your Honour.’
Page 33G transcript reads:
‘He said, “Sometime later Perry started telephoning me giving me the
impression he was amiable to becoming an informant many more times than have
been brought before the Court”.’
Judge said on recording
(27 min 18 sec):
‘He said sometime later Perry started telephoning him giving him the
impression that he was amenable to becoming an informant, meeting him
several times, many more times than have been brought before the Court.’
Page 34F transcript reads:
‘If you take that view of the evidence it is possible for you to convict on
that evidence even before you bother about the tapes …’
Judge said on recording
(30 min 2 sec):
‘If you take that view of it, it’s possible for you to convict on that
without even bothering about the tapes ...’
Page 34G transcript reads:
‘… that Perry’s evidence was true and properly supported. If of course …’
Judge said on recording
(30 min 13 sec):
‘… that Perry’s evidence was true and was properly supported. It is
certainly a course which is there. If of course ...’
Page 34H transcript reads:
‘… the defendant at one stage in the proceedings described the tapes as
being fatal to him.’
Judge said on recording
(30 min 30 sec):
‘… the defendant at one stage of the case described part of the tapes [judge
sarcastically laughs] as being fatal to him.’
Page 35A transcript reads:
‘… and then pocketed by Perry …’
Judge said on recording
(31 min 11 sec):
‘… and then planted by Perry ….’
Page 35F transcript reads:
‘… “grasses, they get dealt with by other fellows”.’
Judge said on recording
(33 min 57 sec):
‘… “grasses, they can be dealt with [judge laughs] by fellows”.’
Page 36D transcript reads:
‘… Constable Cook from Nuneaton. He remembered ...’
Judge said on recording
(36
min 25 sec):
‘… Constable Cook from Nuneaton, who described going to a house in Nuneaton
Lane. He remembered ....’
Page 36F transcript reads:
‘… for a corrupt purpose because he had the chance of making some cash out
of it.’
Judge said on recording
(37
min 36 sec):
‘…for a corrupt purpose because to your advantage it was the thing to get
cash out of it.’
Page 37D transcript reads:
‘There was evidence from Sergeant (inaudible) of Peckham …’
Judge said on recording
(39
min 38 sec):
‘There was evidence from Sergeant McGowan of Peckham …’
Page 39A transcript reads:
‘At all events there’s that point …’
Judge said on recording
(44 min 30 sec):
‘To all events that is a fair point …’
Page 39B transcript reads:
‘The defendant said “If the police ask what I’m doing” …’
Judge said on recording
(45 min 21 sec):
‘The defendant said “if the Coventry police ask what I’m doing”
…’
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